the fbi did not talk to him during their investigation. this is about transparency, paul. it's a national security failure. and it's transparency in the aftermath. that's the problem here. the -- much of the media, particularly the liberal media, want to make this, oh, this is simple partisan bickering in congress. same old, same old. let's move on. no, this is about a -- an administration not being forthcoming months after the fact about what really happened. >> this is about an administration that sees the death of an american ambassador and three of his -- three of his personnel as a political problem. not a national security problem, not a policy problem, but a political problem for an administration that's in the middle of a political campaign. and one of the stunning things for me coming out of greg hicks' testimony was his commenting on the fact that when he was trying to talk to visiting congressman, congressman chafitz from utah, the state department was concern thursday should be a lawyer present at all time. >> hillary clinton's former secretary of state, clinto